Tora
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| 11/20/2008 12:29 PM |
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I was having a conversation with someone the other day about rapier, students, white scarves, etc., and this person said something that started me to wondering about people's perceptions and expectations within the rapier community.
I'm just curious what the rapier community's belief as a whole is regarding cadets. Do you believe that every person who becomes a cadet will (or if you feel as much, should) inevitably become a white scarf?
Keep in mind, this is not an assessment of any group or individual anywhere. I'm just wondering what the community's belief is. |
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Tora
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Gemma~
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| 11/20/2008 2:49 PM |
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Tora, et al,
Personally, I don't believe that each and every cadet will make their red white. As well, I don't believe that each cadet will inevitably become an OWS member.
In many cases, the relationship is a means to an end. In other cases,the relationship is more important than any color of scarf. IMHO, it's situational and it is up to the people inside the relationship to determine their journey - if it happens that there is a white scarf in there, so be it. But then again, I am generally relationship versus task focused, so it will be interesting to see what others have to say!!
Regards,
Gemma~
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Arffuidsson
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| 11/20/2008 9:00 PM |
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Greetings,
While I am not in An Tir, there does seem to be the thought in quite a few kingdoms that red doesn’t necessarily become white.
Here is a link to a discussion from an Artemisian list; it follows a similar thought process.
http://www.artemisiamilitaris.org/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=861
The other question is if there have been many in your kingdom who became White Scarves who were not cadets first.
Yes, I have talked to at least one White Scarf who believed that fighter becoming a cadet greatly increased the probability for becoming a White Scarf; however, this view doesn’t seem to be the prevailing point of view.
I hope this helps!
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Lessingham
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| 11/22/2008 12:56 PM |
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Becoming a cadet is nothing more than a student teacher relationship with some politics attached. The nature of that relationship is up to the White Scarf and the Cadet to determine.
If being a Cadet is a prerequisit of becoming a Don then the system is broken. |
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GuilleminDeRouen
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| 11/22/2008 8:22 PM |
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Though the red scarf is given for a variety of personal reasons and relationships, I think underlying many of those relationships is the understanding that red means that the Cadet's Don in particular believes that person has the potential to get to white. However, even if that assumption holds true, a member of the OWS showing that kind of belief doesn't mean the road will necessarily lead there. The Cadet has to act on that potential, keeping their activity level high and continue learning to get where they want to be.
Nor is a red scarf a prerequisite, much as the cynics may suggest it is. It has been rare in recent years that a member is elevated who was not a Cadet, but I think that says more about the mutual benefits in the Don/Cadet relationship and the prevalence of cadets in this Kingdom than it does about it being some kind of prerequisite.
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Sebastien
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| 11/25/2008 3:35 PM |
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Well I can state catagorically that being a cadet is not a requirement to become a WS. Just ask Don Sean, who has never been a cadet.
As far as does red always become white, no. I have one cadet who due to physical issues will never get her fight level up to what a WS requires. I took her though because she had been my student for years, has a passion for the sport and for the history of rapier combat. Her becoming my cadet is a continuation of our student-teacher relationship. |
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Andrew Williams
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| 11/29/2008 12:48 AM |
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