Draven
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| 08/25/2006 2:10 PM |
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In another thread, it was discussed that we could lower our armor standards in terms of puncture resistance by banning Flexi-daggers.
What are your thoughts on banning these types of daggers if it lowered the amount of weight and layers we wore as a result?
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Draven Mac Raith
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Draven
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| 08/25/2006 4:36 PM |
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Damn double damn,
I was thinking in regards to the Draft ruleset not being written in stone quite yet. Perhaps this might be the big change in regards this new ruleset. |
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Draven Mac Raith
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Luciano
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| 08/25/2006 4:51 PM |
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I'd love to see flex-daggers banned.
I don't think that this year is the year to do it though. A not so subtle piece of advice given whenever you can is what we should go for this year. Let people know that you shouldn't be replacing your fiberglass daggers with flex-daggers. Then, on the next rule revision, write flex-daggers out.
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Hakim
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| 08/25/2006 10:35 PM |
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Posted By Albert_Faulke on 08-25-2006 6:57 PM
Flexi-daggers are a poor simulator, but banning them now won't get the armor standards reduced. That train left the station years ago and isn't coming back.
Right now, decent dagger simulators are the one thing you can't get at a low price. Darkwood blades run $80.00 to $90.00 Why not pettion the society to ban them and then reduce the requirements for armor? Are we not supposed to learn from our past? Foils= bad idea, flexi dagger= bad idea. We didn't up the armour so we could keep using foils ( the fact that they're not exactly period doesn't really matter). We did it with heavy, Garbage can lids= lousy sheild, Pillows= lousy armor, Hockey stick swords= Bad idea. I believe that our rules should evolve and adapt due to past experiences and education, not the "what if..." syndrome. Take a look at those in history that our society is supposed to emulate. My favorite example of period weapons is the thirty foot lance, in a calvery charge, bad idea.
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jgreywolf
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| 08/26/2006 7:54 AM |
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| You would need to get more than just flexi daggers "banned" at the society level. Lets remember that the SCA rules still allow for the concept of light rapier in some kingdoms (ie, epee/foil) |
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Cordell
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| 08/26/2006 9:09 AM |
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"light rapier"??
Does that mean in melee I could run within ten feet and yell "LIGHT YOUR DEAD!"??
That'd be fun...*smirk* |
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Mat
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| 08/26/2006 3:59 PM |
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I dunno, fighting rapier with an epee or foil would be fun!
...Till it broke, went through the mask and through somebody's eye!
After all, it is only fun until somebody looses an eye.
I mean, can you imagine? SWISH SWISH WHIP STAP FISH TWACK WACK THWACK!
I mean, who doesn't want to swordfight with car antenna's? |
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Cordell
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| 08/26/2006 10:21 PM |
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| But if someone actually loses an eye, doesn't it become an Olympic sport...................*blink blink* |
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Guillemin
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| 08/28/2006 11:09 AM |
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| On the field at Pennsic, there were a few melee scenarios where they'd switch between "heavy" and "light" rapier when they switched sides. I couldn't play with the light rapiers (unless i just carried my flexidagger, which is a very bad idea in a melee with epees), but apart from these melees, there was not a fighter there who preferred their use to the heavier blades we use. Nobody used them in tournament, or in pickup or warmup fights. And yet, resistance to banning them is still strong. Despite the fact that it's a ridiculous simulator, and nobody uses them (except the one kingdom where light rapiers are default), the light rapiers still have their hooks in the kingdoms that allow them and will be around for the forseeable future. |
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johannes
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| 09/26/2006 7:25 PM |
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Posted By Hakim on 08-25-2006 10:35 PM
Posted By Albert_Faulke on 08-25-2006 6:57 PM
Flexi-daggers are a poor simulator, but banning them now won't get the armor standards reduced. That train left the station years ago and isn't coming back.
Right now, decent dagger simulators are the one thing you can't get at a low price. Darkwood blades run $80.00 to $90.00 Why not pettion the society to ban them and then reduce the requirements for armor? Are we not supposed to learn from our past? Foils= bad idea, flexi dagger= bad idea. We didn't up the armour so we could keep using foils ( the fact that they're not exactly period doesn't really matter). We did it with heavy, Garbage can lids= lousy sheild, Pillows= lousy armor, Hockey stick swords= Bad idea. I believe that our rules should evolve and adapt due to past experiences and education, not the "what if..." syndrome. Take a look at those in history that our society is supposed to emulate. My favorite example of period weapons is the thirty foot lance, in a calvery charge, bad idea. Hakim Student to Don Enoch
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johannes
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| 09/26/2006 7:30 PM |
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woops!!
Sorry, I wanted to quote Hakim on the hockey stick swords.
I wanted to say that hockey stick swords fighting may be not a good idea, but I made 6 of them to practice with, in varying sizes, and they work very well for measure and endurance drills. Just throwing that out there!!
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Mat
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| 09/27/2006 3:24 AM |
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Oh my god Johannes! That's awesome! lol!
I remember when I was in high school, my younger bro and I made sword-like objects from 4 wooden dowels hockey taped together, with the grip area wrapped in, of all things, hockey tape. This one day we went out into the woods and beat tha sh*t out of one another. 
Good times, good times... |
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Lessingham
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| 09/27/2006 9:29 AM |
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| The subject of banning epee's at the society level came up many years ago at Estrella way (Albert was still KRM here) At the known world marshal's meeting the Society Earl Marshall brought up his concerns with them. Out of about 30 people in attendance I was the only rapier guy there - so naturally they wanted to know what I thoughtt. I told them I thought they should ban them because I didn't think they were safe for what we do. Wrong tool for the job as epees are too light, only flex one way and are definately not meant for throwing cuts. As far as I know nothing ever came of it - Dr, Bill would probabl know if it ever came up. |
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